Thread: Seriously, Guys.

Not all maps can meet the satisfaction standards of players.

We do not make maps anymore, so what's done is done.

Originally Posted by Sandvich

Hey everybody at PWC,
For example, i recently played your "revamp" of fenderbenders, and I have to say that I am appalled. Why turn it into a figure 8 or whatever the hell you call it? The map was about the teams driving at eachother in straight lines, causing crashes and vehicle battles. If you completely bypass that, it makes it a different map with no similarity between it and the original besides the goals. You should have left it alone.

If you like the original, play it. Not sure but have you played the other remixes of Fenderbenders? The one by KvW isn't much better. Someone suggested that i try to add in excessive weapons. I did that, but since they are so incredibly overpowered having the one straight line didn't work so well, the play field had to be expanded. If you want to play the original one go right ahead. I honestly don't mind playing that one. And it is not really a revamp, in no way am I trying to "IMPROVE" that map, you cannot improve classics and I'm fairly certain 90% of movies sequels prove that. After playing a map so many times it is nice to have a few flavors. Whether some are terrible or "appalling" is something we all have to deal with it. I'm not out to make everyone happy.

Originally Posted by Sandvich

But the largest example of your tendency to take good maps and destroy them was Scorpioncoaster Revisited. The map is one of the oldest ones made for the assault gametype, and i can see why you would think it could need some polish. But the way you did it was unacceptable. Why put in rocket launchers, flack cannons, and bio rifles? the point of having no weapons was to screw someone over when they lost a car, now they can just kill the person in a different car and take it. Why put in Hellbenders? The map is called SCORPIONcoaster, not to mention the fact that the hellbender beam cannon completely unbalances the map with its extended range. After the first objective is when the shit hits the fan. both team spawns ramps are too steep and launch players into the abyss. There are TWO hellbenders. You put target painters in the weapon lockers, which causes a shitstorm of bombs from the sky that makes the map unplayable. Now, im not the purist that only plays Convoy and Robotfactory, I like the custom maps just as much as the original. But you guys fucked up. Bad.

Ok you have a very limited version of that map. AS-PWC-ScorpionCoaster does not have Hellbenders anymore. To be honest the hellbenders were added in as a joke. Weapons were added because it was requested of players to have the ability to kill, and AS-VDP-ScorpionCoaster is no different. I do not remember about the Target Painters, but those target painters are normal. It is a mutator on the server which causes the flak cannon styled airstrikes (where it breaks off into chunks).

With that second objective I agree that I should have put signs and railings etc, but I didn't.

Not every map is made to improve it, like muffin said some are made as a joke and some are based off original maps but not the same that's why " it makes it a different map with no similarity between it and the original besides the goals.". Simple fact is if you don't like the map don't play it. But I can tell you right now there are some maps that other people make that are even shittier so go complain to them not us because muffin makes the map at least playable unlike 75% of the other map makers.

i agree with Jon and muffin. not because i know them and because im in their clan...but because they are right. and your right to. your opinion was heard and that's all that matters. i respect that...but muffin and Jon were right when they said that not all maps can be up to all the players standards. if you like the other maps better...then go play them. other people like playing the maps that you don't like. you opinion is just that...YOUR opinion. its not necessarily everyone else's. like Jon said...its as simple as not playing them. try not to make a big deal out of this. its not like the old maps you like are gone. we do things our way. personally...i don't understand why you got so mad. i mean....why not...just stop playing them?

lol, all down to artistic interpretation i guess.

u cant ever mod a map and not have it bitched at, and usually if u take out a few nasty glitches you'll get a whole host of idiots boycotting the map cos its not "easy"
in the past ive tried everything from voting to just trialling stuff on chance, and never once got anything that could be considered good feedback from these kinds of players.
that said you could always take up the editing yourself and offer a new version to the world, and learn the value of constructive criticism over bitching :p

it really is no wonder the map makers are so few n far between now.